Mantle rebutted these attempts to divide the two. Still waiting on my last PSA submission. As a Yankee fan for 70 years, I applaud Bob Greenes Cheer on Judge but Dont Forget Maris (op-ed, Oct. 7). Fastball, hit deep to right! Meanwhile, in 1927, Babe Ruth hit his 48th and 49th homers in his 134th game. Give him his goddamned plaque. This blogs regular features, including live game analysis, news and notes from Tyler Kepner, David Waldstein and others, can now be found on the baseball section of our website.Readmore, The free-agent second baseman Robinson Cano is reportedly still seeking a 10-year deal for $310 million, figures the Yankees are said to be unwilling to meet. Considering the constant crap Maris put up with from badgering sportswriters & Ford Frick, Ill disagree with you! Maybe I'm the last person on the planet who didn't know this. 1 year, 4 months. Maybe roger never makes it to the Hall, thats ok. On September 20, a night game, the 154th game of the season the Yankees clinch the American League pennant with a win over the Orioles in Baltimore 4-2. Even the stars benefited from expansion, which was rational reaction to the growth of the talent pool. Oct. 11, 2022 1:44 pm ET Text New York Yankees Roger But I hate it when people make accusations against someones legacy. The whole subject is really sadRoger Maris career got derailed.He got forced by the Yankees to pursue going for pulled home runs too much in 61.Then, after my fellownYankee Fans started booing him in 1962 he , I believe, doubled down on the pulling8 rather than being more of a BillyWilliams (Cubs) type of hitter which was more natural for him.Then, the injuries, finally the disabling one to the wrist at the age of 30. This thread took a hard left turn since my last login. In the end Maris prevailed and hit No. The media were continuously printing stories comparing Mantle and Maris, Maris and Ruth, Ruth and Mantle. Given the number of legitimate reporters covering the race between him and Mantle and the number of fans attending the games, there is no possible way any of it could have been staged. But it was only a matter of time before the Yankees would yank him (sorry) from Kansas City. Another thing about his 61 homers, seeing as how you criticize the players who broke it because they used steroids: Maris hit 61 in an expansion year with two new teams in the league. All rights reserved. Incidentally, my birthday is Mar15. Maris, a two-time AL MVP who hit 61 home runs in 1961 to break Babe Ruth's single-season record, received 43.1% in his final BBWAA ballot appearance in 1988. While Maris may not be a household name for younger MLB fans, Aaron Judge's quest for 62 home runs has shone a little on the former New York slugger. Please at least get your facts correct? It's hard to watch average NFL players and even convicts get into the NFL HOF while MLB struggles to acknowledge generational stars ~ in many cases careers like Dave Parker, Steve Garvey and Dale Murphy made the All Star team in almost every season in which they played. Maris is an extraordinary example of stardom. In the video the right fielder looks like he's wearing the number 9. Ford Frick then decreed that if Maris broke the record it would have an "asterisks" next to it thus tainting it for Maris and demeaned him to the nation. Reporters from all over the country had converged upon Yankee Stadium. He had great impact in his era. I stand by what I wrote about Maris: there isnt enough of a career there to merit Hall of Fame election. I felt my IQ drop just by reading the comments in this thread. Yes the Yankees are my favorite team but I will watch just about any team that I can get on TV. @coolstanley said: In the movie The Natural, and I know this isn't a good source, they talk about how some reporters would write the stories on the games before the games were even played. As they say in the legal system: I'd rather see a guilty man go free than an innocent man go to prison. Nobody is going to mistake George Kell or Bill Mazeroski for Cal Ripken or Reggie Jackson. Kell and Maz both got in ~ it doesnt tarnish Cal or Reggie in the least. Maris' first year in pinstripes, in 1960, netted him the first of two consecutive MVP awards. Last night, Aaron Judge surpassed Roger Maris for both the New York Yankees' single-season home run record as well as the American League home run record. It came down to the final three games of the 1961 season. It was Maris versus Ruth. I think you might be surprised what can be staged. He saved the 62 World Series with an unspectacular , yet great, play with 2 outs in the 7th game stopping the fast Giants Matty Alou, running on contact from.first base, at 3rd base on a righty hitting Willie Mays double down the right field line which Maris got to on one hop just before it reached the warning track; pivoted, hit 2nd Baseman.Bobby Richardson with a good,tough throw and Richsrdson was able to hold Alou to 3rd Base (Yankee Catcher, Elston Howard said that they would have gotten out Alou by a lot if he had continued to Home Plate. In a 162 game season, Roger Maris hit 61 home runs in 1961. Thats a pretty unusual opinion. There is pretty clearly no ball being thrown or hit in this video. Your cynical speculation on what Judge is accomplishing is just conjecture. He was an All-Star in baseball with the Kansas City Royals in 1989 and a Pro Bowl pick with the Raiders in 1990. Why has he been passed over? Read2 hours ago | Michael Doran, Article viewed iconAn icon to mark the viewed articles I remember the pressure he was under from Mantle fans and the sports writers who didnt want him breaking the Babes record because he was not a hoeeme grown Yankee ( brutal treatment everyday in 1961) hes a hall of fame human being if not a ballplayer but in my boo hes both!!! Shpigel received a bachelor's degree in English and journalism from Emory University and a master's degree in journalism from Columbia University. He went through Hell because no one wanted him to break Ruths record. MANY players elected in the hall did not have the stats or years of modern day electees. Frank Howard is a left fielder, but I will admit he did play a few years in right. But he DID it. Maybe also because he was Native American? I have read alot about baseball and the greats of the game. in fact, it puts me very much in mind of Brady Anderson in the Nevertheless, from 1959 -.1962 his fellow American League players (and coaches, I believe ) chose him as an American League All-Star. He did it while being a teammate of the iconic Mickey Mantle and wearing the famed pinstripe uniform of the greatest team in sports. And that lots of people hated him for the rest of his career for having the nerve to break Babe Ruths record. And in the early 1960s, if you drove in a lot of runs and played for the pennant-winning team, you basically won the MVP. He doesn't backpedal and turn or anything. "They're standing; waiting to see if Maris is gonna hit Number Sixty-one." However, he met the 10 year minimum and those 6 great years propelled him over the top. But his size doesn't guarantee anything. 1961 was the same season that Mantle missed time due to the botched steroid injection he received during the season. Considering how corruption seems to be rampant. This is the short version. He was a star for a short period of time, and ain impactful player, but not anywhere in the same class as the other. Holy Cow, he did it! En route to his second MVP award, Maris hit a then-record of 61 home runs while driving 141 RBIs. As an insult to Roger and what he was about to accomplish, the Yankees never hyped the game the way they should have. His family was from Croatia, and his birth name was spelled MARAS before it was Americanized later to avoid the ASS jokes. Take out the fact that he was a Yankee, he would not have anyone thinking he belongs in the Hall. Because except for a a couple seasons, he basically was average https://bleacherreport.com/articles/221894-the-king-without-a-crown-should-roger-maris-be-in-the-hall-of-fame. Roger Maris, seen here in the 1950s with the F-M Twins, would break Babe Ruth's home run record by hitting 61 in 1961 with the New York Yankees. The defensive play of the Series, recalls Ralph Terry, the winning pitcher, in the excellent new biography, Roger Maris, Baseballs Reluctant Hero, by Tom Clavin and Danny Peary. Bobby Thomson: His 1951 Shot Heard Round The World that won the pennant for the New York Giants (over those poor Brooklyn Dodgers) remains the most famous home run in history. As we show in our 100 Greatest Right Fielders rankings, Evans is well deserving: https://baseballegg.com/all-time-player-rankings/baseballs-greatest-right-fielders-of-all-time/, Mick you have made absolutely fantastic observations. Lets all return every book on Abraham Lincoln or new works on World War II, because the authors werent alive then. Sorry. When truck driver Sal Durante sought to give Maris the ball he had caught in the stands, the star declined, insisting that Durante should receive the bounty. I mean it's hard to choose him over Rudi or Bando, much less the likes of Jackson or Grich. Maris hit 58 homers in the first 154 games (the length of the schedule when Babe Ruth set the single-season record), and finished with 61. Read21 hours ago | Lance Morrow, Article viewed iconAn icon to mark the viewed articles Others were glad I mentioned that Maris led the 1960s with World Series appearances seven, including four championships and that he was the most valuable player in 1960 and 1961. The Indians had a glut of outfielders in their organization and inexplicably ignored the 69 homers Maris hit in three seasons in their system. If nothing else, Maris should at least have a spot in the Hall of Fame . career falls short of Hall of Fame standards, but I am impressed by the knowledgeable fans who believe Maris belongs. With all due respect, I still think Mariss The HoF has never had standards as low as it did starting shortly after Maris retired and continuing on and off for about a decade, and it never will again. Roger was MVP in 1960 because Yankees finished 2nd in 1959 with Bauer and Woodling in RF and Roger helped Yankees win AL pennant again. That record stood for 37 years. Article viewed iconAn icon to mark the viewed articles His career beyond '61 and '60 is relatively unremarkable, but to set a long standing record like that in a sport that has been recorded for so long is remarkable and enough to be enshrined. The 1961 and 1962 seasons were unique due to the expansion, which represented the greatest immediate dilution relative to the existing talent pool in the majors and the growing total pool of talent (both expansion outside the US and core population growth). Maris hit behind Bobby Richardson and Tony Kubek, and he had Mickey Mantle hitting behind him. His legacy remains those 61 homers, with or without an infamous asterisk imposed by the commissioner of baseball.*. The guy was the best at his position for more than half his career. Maris would be a very unusual selection for the Hall of Fame. However, Roger was still five games ahead of the record pace by Ruth, whose 51st HR didn't come until his 139th game. There were over 500 other baseball players during this expansion era and they did not hit 61 home runs. I think what his critics are saying is that his body of work isnt sufficient to be a Hall of Famer. I wouldn't say he's more famous than Pete Rose. Its highly unlikely that Maris will be elected by this committee in December, but his career should be remembered for more than just his very high points. I don't know, but that's the sort of conversation we should have had. As well as modest. He and his wife, Rebecca, live in Manhattan. Here's the windup, the pitch to Roger. Now it is October 1, 1961, the last game of the season. I have seen plenty of highlights and video footage. Maris did not accomplish that. It's hard to watch average NFL players and even convicts get into the NFL HOF while MLB struggles to acknowledge generational stars ~ in many cases careers like Dave Parker, Steve Garvey and Dale Murphy made the All Star team in almost every season in which they played. Maris is an extraordinary example of stardom. He followed up with a 24-9 season in 69 to win another Cy Young. 2 seasons does not a career make. Should say North Dakota, sorry about the error. Maris is to Clemente, Kaline, Aaron, and Robinson as Kirk Gibson is to Reggie Jackson. He joined The Times in 2000 as the Mets beat writer. PSA | Sixty-one for Maris!". Roger Maris has no Hall of Fame case. The commissioner, Ford Frick, refused to You will be notified in advance of any changes in rate or terms. I've been researching sports and sports cards again for the past couple years and watching all the Dodgers games I can. I admit I wanted Mickey to break the record, but after he was out of the race I was routing for Roger. Does Roberto Alomar Deserve To Be Inducted Into The Hall of Fame? the Angels for the Riverside Press-Enterprise in California and the Mariners for the Seattle Post-Intelligencer. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, but the highest form of intelligence - Oscar Wilde. Your California Privacy Rights / Privacy Policy. More critics claim that he only played at the Hall of Fame level for 2 or 3 seasons, with the remainder of his career being average. If Kirby Puckett is a first ballot Hall of Famer, Maris deserves the nod from the Veteran's Committee. Aaron Judge is on pace for 65+. For a brief period of time, about four seasons, Maris was one of the ten best outfielders in baseball. Excellent article. Dwight Evans.. Should Be In The Hall Of Fame. Maris for the Hall. Ford Frick was a good buddy of Babe Ruth's he did not want anyone breaking the Babe's record. Ford Fricks name should be Ford Prick.As far as Im concerned he still owns the record at 61. I have no doubt that it if had been 1959, he would have hit 55 or 54 homers, or whatever. Put them both in. The announcer and the right fielder had no doubt. if anything his back to back mvps is a Submitted On September 02, 2011. Aaron Judge is 6' 7 and over 280 lbs. Ben Shpigel has covered the Mets for The Times since 2005. On August 26th in his 128th game Maris hit Number 51. @dallasactuary said: F Craig was a three-time Super Bowl champion and four-time Pro Bowl player. I was 14 years old and an eye witness to the duel in 1961 between Mickey Mantle and Roger Maris for Babe Ruths 60-dinger record from 1927. The Hawk Soars Into Baseball's Hall of Fame, Latin Born Baseball Players In The Hall Of Fame. If Aaron Judge eclipses him, itll be quite an accomplishment. Likewise for Maris - Maris circling the bases and the guy emerging from the scramble holding up the ball are the only visible evidence of the homerun. When he hit the 61st home run I screamed so loud I had a headache for about a week." For years I thought that breaking Ruths record all by itself should qualify him for the Hall, but you make a good argument. David Ortiz could be voted into the Baseball Hall of Fame on Tuesday, but there will be trends worth noting even if he, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens and others fall short. Please logout and login again. The record may be broken, but many younger fans are finding the answer to an important: Who was Roger Maris? But all Roger Maris was known for was 61 swings that produced 61 homers in 1961. That 61 Hrs stood for decades & many other HOF inducted players had the chance to break it but didnt. But, sportswriters didnt know that in 1960. That was why he got so many RBI opportunities, and why pitchers challenged him even when runners were on base. You can probably assume that means a HR, especially if that was a statement he used frequently. But, Maris is way, way more famous than any baseball player not in the HOF. Roger Maris: Many still believe his 61 home runs in 1961 is still the single-season home run record. Who needs time?. https://www.google.com/search?q=Ford+Frick+"Roger+Maris"+ruth&ei=QbjpYqjFE-3YkPIPl6aHsAE&ved=0ahUKEwjo6Yq-rKn5AhVtLEQIHRfTARYQ4dUDCA0&uact=5&oq=Ford+Frick+"Roger+Maris"+ruth&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAM6BwgAEEcQsAM6BQgAEJECOgUILhCRAjoRCC4QgAQQsQMQgwEQxwEQ0QM6CAguELEDEIMBOgsILhCABBCxAxCDAToFCAAQgAQ6CwgAEIAEELEDEIMBOhAILhCxAxCDARDHARDRAxBDOgQILhBDOgQIABBDOg0ILhCxAxCDARDUAhBDOggIABCxAxCDAToKCAAQsQMQgwEQQzoKCC4QsQMQgwEQQzoICC4QgAQQsQM6CgguELEDEIMBEAo6CAguENQCEJECOgsILhCABBDHARCvAToFCC4QgAQ6CAguEIAEENQCOgUIABCGAzoGCAAQHhAWOggIABAeEBYQCjoGCAAQHhANOgQIABAeOgUIIRCgAToFCCEQqwJKBAhBGABKBQhAEgExSgQIRhgAUIUEWNxmYN5oaARwAXgAgAHPAogBziqSAQgwLjMxLjIuMZgBAKABAcgBCLgBA8ABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz, Yes, folks I do realize, this is likley tantamount to "playing chess with pigeons" :sigh. He lives in Connecticut with his wife and their four children. In 1961, Maris did not homer in his first ten games, but by the end of May he had hit 12. Most Yankees fans were rooting for his home-grown teammate, Mickey Mantle. Before then, he was a staff writer for the Dallas Morning News for two years. I just watched 61 the other day. As others have said, he clearly falls short on the career stats, and there is simply no way of looking at it that places Maris above Dwight Evans, Bobby Bonds, Bobby Murcer, or several other better right fielders ignored by the HOF. There was as similar spurt in 1969 and a lesser one in 1977. I think Burns says Maris wished he had never broken it because of the response from the public and probably other players too. It is possible that any player since steroids were invented cheated. If Joe Namath is in the Football HOF, then I believe Roger Maris should also be in the baseball HOF. Dwight Evans and Frank Howard, to name just two. If Aaron Judge eclipses him, itll be quite an accomplishment. Maris played seven years in professional baseball before he wore the Yankee pinstripes. If anything, I think it strengthens the Hall by acknowledging the true single-season HR king. Tony Cloninger:In 1966, the Milwaukee pitcher hit not one, but two grand slams in the same game! Readmore, When asked what he has done thus far in the off-season, Mets General Manager Sandy Alderson responded with a joke. He is still the single season non juiced HR record holder. Pretty huge accomplishment. Which was very considerate, since years later Billy Crystal made a movie titled 61* about that season. Personally, I regard Maris still to be baseballs season Home Run Leader, excluding Bonds, McGuire and Sosa. The pitcher has a ball. Now, with Judge taking over the record, it has left baseball fans wondering about Roger Maris' legacy. If Aaron Judge eclipses him, itll be quite an This could be it! There are players who are not in the Hall of Fame and likely will not be anytime in the future but their significant singular achievements are more than worthy of their special place in baseball history. Johnny Vander Meer: Pitched back-to-back no hitters in 1938. My dad ran into him and Whitey Herzog in a bar and they had drinks and talked baseball for 3 hours. A Yankees home jersey worn by Maris during the 1961 regular season is now a part of the He appeared in seven World Series, winning three of them. His best showings came in the 1949 and '50 Fall Classics. His defense was quite good. Pitching for the old Boston Braves in 1944, he threw a three-hit complete game shutout in 58 pitches. And yet you call yourself CardGeek. Sadly, and bizarrely, the players considered by the various Committees aren't even close to the best players from their eras who aren't enshrined. Aaron Judge is almost certainly on something, theyre just better about avoiding tests these days. There have been 19,969 men to play Major League Baseball. Mantle was the favorite; Maris who had come to the Yankees in a trade with Kansas City was the outsider. A very valuable player indeed. I also wouldn't mind seeing Mattingly, Murph and KHernandez either. Is this new new Crisser? There were almost as many reporters as fans. (if applicable) for The Wall Street Journal. When Is A Future Hall Of Fame Manager Not Missed? But he just misses the bar for me. Great movie. Unfortunately both Roger and Mickey had retired before I was born. 8 Articles, By Successful dealings with Wcsportscards94558, EagleEyeKid, SamsGirl214, Volver, DwayneDrain, Oaksey25, Griffins, Cardfan07, Etc. What if a lot of people had money on Maris not breaking this record and the commissioner just gave it to him for publicity. PS: Regarding the Right Field Porch in Yankee Stadium , Roger Maris hit 31 of his 61 home runs on the road in 1961. It's likely that nobody in baseball history hasn't cheated on this record. The Hall of Fame DOES have a records room which celebrates record holders and award winners, etc. Sure, everybody knows OF him but how is he not in the Hall? Pretty much the only thing that I've learned about baseball and sports cards in the past few years is that I don't want to be involved. By the end of his 12-year career, Maris went on to win three World Series Championships, two MVPs, and a Elroy Face:He went 18-1 out of the bullpen for the 1959 Pirates for a winning percentage of .947, best in history (with at least 10 decisions). The excitement was building because Roger was six ahead of Ruth's record total. Nobody is throwing or hitting anything though. This month, Maris is among ten players on the Golden Days Era Ballot for Baseball Hall of Fame consideration. His 1961 season was the best of his career, and one of the best seasons of all time. (As a huge Mike Schmidt fan, I often wonder what he would have done if his career was shifted 10-15 years in either direction to take advantage of expansion/stadium design. But what makes you think Chet Lemon would know who belongs in the Hall of Fame? Not, who among Kaat, Parker, and Garvey should be in, but rather if we're considering players from that era why aren't we looking at Grich, Nettles, Bell, Randolph, Dwight Evans, or Reuschel? Similarly, at least in my opinion, Hank Aaron remains baseballs all time Home Run leader to this day, regardless of Bud Selig, who was complicit in the era of rampant steroid abuse. Aaron , Robinson , Clemente and Colavito were all great players but Maris was probably better as an overall defensive player, even than Clemente.Roger Maris, who won two Most Valuable Player Awards, primarily for his offense, was better at fielding, in my opinion than hitting. Or have my sister do it. Customer Service. One could surmise I stole the money for that card because paying that much is a statistical anomaly. His baserunning in some seasons was extraordinary. During the 1961 season, Maris hit 61 home runs for the New York Yankees, breaking Babe Ruth's single-season record of 60 home runs (set in 1927), a record that stood for 37 years. @nam812 said: Unless otherwise specified my posts represent only my opinion, not fact. The hit total would be the lowest of all position players who did not play in the negro leagues. Only 19,401 attended the game to see only the second man in baseball history to hit 60 home runs in one season. By the end of his 12-year career, Maris went on to win three World Series Championships, two MVPs, and a Gold Glove Award, as well as being named to 7 All-Star teams. Given the number of legitimate reporters covering the race between him and Mantle and the number of fans attending the games, there is no possible way any of it could have been staged. 2023 www.desertsun.com. As far as Cardgeek is concerned, I suppose the earth is flat and the moon landings were staged in Hollywood. Maris received three or fewer votes from the 16-member committee appointed by the Hall of Fame to review a 10-candidate Golden Era ballot. A two-time Most Valuable Player (1960, 61) and seven-time All-Star, Maris starred from 1957-68 with the Indians, Athletics, Yankees and Cardinals. With the Yankees, Reynolds went 131-60 with a 3.30 ERA in 295 regular-season games (209 starts), going 7-2 with a 2.79 ERA in 15 postseason games (nine starts). Maris also retired at a very early age (just 33) because of his nagging injuries and the opportunity to earn more money as a businessman. Im a huge yankee fan.. All my life. Or that Jose Molina or David Wells knows enough about baseball history to know who should get a plaque? At least it still clings to 3 figures, the same seems not to apply about most who have posted here. Until the quality of recording improved and the introduction of the center field camera, practically all TV recordings of baseball give the appearance of a phantom ball - you can't see crap in these videos, it's all reactive like the trick play in "Little Big League". The only thing Roger Maris had going for him was a major record. A Gold Glove recipient in 1960, Maris career is best remembered for hitting 61 home runs in 1961, shattering a single-season home run record previously held by Babe Ruth. [deleted] 9 yr. ago The online betting stuff really bothers me too. This also helped to counter the negative impact from the shift in the National League from smaller stadiums to the larger multi-purpose stadiums. https://EzineArticles.com/expert/Mickey_Morgan/1169320, 2023 EzineArticlesAll Rights Reserved Worldwide. "He threw me a pitch outside and I just went with it," Maris would say later. Maris was elected MVP in 1960 because he led the league in RBI. The Veteran's Committee elected former Pirates second baseman Bill Mazeroski in to the Hall. WebDuring his career Roger Maris never received the credit he deserved. What if I'm a professional athlete and I use my nieces phone to bet the under. Coincidence? Roger Maris played Major League Ball (MLB) for 12 seasons, from 1957-1968. WebSep 6, 2022 - Lets talk about my dads favorite Hall of Fame case: Roger Maris. Roger Maris trotted out the historic home run. other than that, his whole career was pretty good not great. WebHe had 4 very good seasons. Here's the windup. Who is Roger Maris and is he in the Hall of Fame. Read22 hours ago | Mark Penn, Article viewed iconAn icon to mark the viewed articles Mazeroski, like Maris, was a.260 career hitter, but hit just 138 home runs in 17 seasons and never finished higher than eighth in the MVP voting. Roger Maris had a career batting average of .260, and 275 home runs. He ranks 64th in BBRef WAR among right fielders. My Man Taxerman, a faithful Yankees fan, also reinforced my observation that Maris was a superb right fielder. If Judge breaks the record this year, it will be 61 years after Maris hit 61 in '61. I really don't think there are fixes to a lot of the problem in these industries. He probably could have stolen 20 bases a year, but his managers wanted their runners to hug the bag.